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PervertBunnies Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2017  Student General Artist
Dogshit.
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Craibwoud Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very nice!
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zirukurt01 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2017  Student General Artist
Capitalism to Bourgeoisie
Where's your money?
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theagentofvenom Featured By Owner May 1, 2016  Student Writer
You forgot the Middle East
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uki--uki Featured By Owner Edited Mar 21, 2016
Do one for comunism, socialism, zionism, and every other ism out there !!
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xXDr-BirdXx Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
 this-
IS GOLDDDDD
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Thank you! :)
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xXDr-BirdXx Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
np owo
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I seem to have brought a few of my friend around, haven't I?
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linkuu246 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What am I lookin at
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 19, 2016
A picture. Though as you were typing you were probably looking at your keyboard :). Unless, of course, you are very good at touch typing. In which case I apologize for making an incorrect assumption.
Jokes aside, that is supposed to represent the reckless greed and how our current system destroys the planet. :)
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linkuu246 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh... Alright.
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Also known as materialism.
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:iconzoltan86:
Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Yepp!
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:iconreclusivechicken:
ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I could rant on about it for hours.
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Zeitgeist-1984 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 17, 2016  Student
The rules of the game are obsolete, but merely complaining without posing an alternative offers nothiing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsn…
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Thanks for coming by. I'm not sure why you feel like you have the right to immediately tell me that I don't do anything and just dismiss my art as empty complaint. I just looked at your gallery and guess what, it's full of empty complaints... Is it not the job of an artist to give critique of their era?
Also, if we are to build a brighter future, should we really divide people and judge others based on looking at their stuff for a couple of seconds? Is this how we are going to have a cohesive society? By judging and dismissing people?
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Zeitgeist-1984 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2016  Student
Could you kindly point out, exactly where I said, "you don't do anything?" This work of art offers a perspective, and it's an insightful one at that. But is it not fair to say that that's where it ends? Indeed, your work gives the viewer much to think about; the bacon, the blood, the oil and the book. As a visual metaphor, it's scathing. FWIW, work that I look at for a few seconds is not the kind that I fave or add to the group I oversee (which this particular work was.) Does the support of your work in that context qualify as dismissive? As for the job of the artist, on a personal level, I would fundamentally agree with you, but the job of the artist, with so much subjectivity behind him/her, is as varied as the art itself. Depending on the time and place, I'm sure my work would qualify as "degenerate."

Agreed, we need to come together rather than be divided, and in fairness, one could easily argue that by you saying that I judged your work for a couple of seconds, which was not the case, is a judgement in itself. Let's be honest. Everyone is judgmental. And if you took the time to watched the video by way of the link I provided, you would have seen not only the quote you seem to be upset over, but more importantly, a perspective that makes not only a strong case for your work, but also, a way to get us out of this cacophony. 

Peace.
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Ouch. That argument right there is a blinder. There is no "right way", but there are ways which have led to massive human suffering after given lengths of time which depend on how beneficial the system is to most societal groups at the time of implementation. I say yes to individualism and yes to collectivism; I think that we need both in contextually appropriate measures.
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maxnort Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016   Writer
how about we start by not putting elected officials in office who won't work to improve things? hmm? after enough people agree to do that, then we've done enough complaining.

unless we want to load up and march on the capitol?
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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Simply electing officials in office isn't going to solve the problem. First off you could have people who genuinely want to do the right thing, but their ideas are absolutely horrible and sometimes they're so sure of them they'll go through with it consequences be damned. Look at Venezuela. Next even if you get the right people elected into office how long before you they leave office. How are people to know who are the right people to send to office? How do you reconcile conflicting viewpoints among voters and candidates. Also most voters are woefully ill informed and rightfully so. Being an informed voter is a serious investment in time and effort and in the end you're one out of thousands to millions of others. When it comes to voting we need start putting more of an emphasis on Voting as a Responsibility, not simply a Right.

We need to be less focused on getting the right people in office and worry about creating institutions that work regardless of who is in office.
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maxnort Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016   Writer
ok. the only issue I seriously take with anything you've said is the way you've used "rightfully so" about woefully misinformed voters. it's a syntactical thing. it's a cute turn of phrase when you tie it to voting is more than a right, but "rightfully so" does mean something different. it means that voters are supposed to be woefully misinformed, not just that they have the freedom to be so. I don't think it's what you mean, and it derails your whole point.

there is an institution in place that will work in most cases, called "the state".   you seem to be at the point where you need to read Oppenheimer in The State. It's available online, for free.

and how do you feel about the idea of eliminating elections, and instituting open lotteries, where anyone in the country, randomly chosen, can be called on to serve?
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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2016
I'll take note writing advice. My point is it makes sense for people not to make the effort to inform themselves. Considering the investment in time and the low likelihood your vote will have a serious impact, it makes all the sense in the world that people aren't well informed.

Sounds interesting. I'll try and give it a read some time.

I'm not so sure an open lottery would be even better, god knows who would end up in office. While far from perfect, with a democracy people at least have some opportunity to choose no matter how limited it is. I think what we need to consider is how we structure are governing institutions. Personally I'd like to see them as limited as much as possible. Also we need to set up Public Service in a way that would only draw those interested in serving. Putting possible restrictions on public servants so public office isn't a career to build a fortune off of, but a sacrifice in time and effort. Even then the institutions need to be limited in what they can do as to prevent those in office, even if they mean well, from riding rough shot over others.
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
That is a highly deterministic thing to say, for there needs to be maintenance for something to work in most cases. What we must do is remove what impedes human wellbeing and survival and reverse the effects of the materialistic forces which have removed everything which doesn't facilitate production on ever-larger scales and the consumerist justification (i.e. marketing).
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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2016
If you create a government that is simple and limited then it's a fairly low maintenance affair. When you give the institutions of power(government) more control over peoples lives and the wealth of a nation then you run the risk of bad apples coming in and ruining the bunch. If you give that government limits and less power over others than you don't have to worry as much about who is in office since they have limits to what they can do. If governments simply protected the basic human rights of it's citizens the people will do just fine. Humans are smart animals and they'll figure out how to take care of themselves.

Even for all it's problems(and their are always problems, and always will be) we do live in the safest and wealthiest era in human history with more people living and climbing out of poverty than ever before.
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yet when governments shrink back, corporations grow. Sometimes they collaborate and sometimes they oppose each other. These institutions should be limited.

What do you classify as "wealth"? Socially, emotionally and spiritually, people are poorer, yet material wealth has spiralled upwards. There exists a far more psychological poverty than the one we're used to.
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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2016
A corporation can't force you to buy it's goods, or work for it. A corporation can't shut down it's competition all it can do is compete for consumer interest and good workers and hope it comes out on top. A government can shut down a business, it can set up rules and regulations that favor some businesses and hurt others. Now in the US according to the Affordable Care Act the government can force people to buy a product. A corporation can lobby to a government to design the laws in their favor and disadvantage competitors especially small start ups. Giving power to the Government to regulate corporations usually just leads to corporations colluding with the government for economic advantage over those who don't have a relationship with those in are institutions of power. If you limit the power government's role in the economy you don't have this meddling and you don't have firms gaining an unfair and unearned advantage in the markets.

You can prove people are emotionally and spiritually poorer how? Odds are we're doing about the same if not better.
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Firstly, marketing and peer pressure. Simple psychology. Secondly, think of how the US Federal Reserve is run by former Goldman Sachs chiefs and how huge MNCs set up sweatshops in smaller, less powerful countries and the more "conscientious" governments do nothing about it.

Also, ever heard about the skyrocketing sales of antidepressants and self-help books in recent times? Fluoxetine (marketed as "Prozac") seems to be especially popular. There's also the wave of glitch culture.
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Zeitgeist-1984 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016  Student
I'm not sure you can have "enough people agree to do that," since the only change that can be made is the one that is within oneself, not others. So it starts with building a new paradigm; one that begins on an individual level. uki--uki.deviantart.com/art/Bu…

As for loading up and marching on the capitol? 
uki--uki.deviantart.com/art/Wo…

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." 
~ Martin Luther King Jr.
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maxnort Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016   Writer
I know Uki-Uki around here. can't a guy troll? anyway, yes; you are correct.

by the way, how would you feel about an open lottery instead of elections? one where anybody of sound mind (and nationality if we want) might be chosen randomly to serve in the government?
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Zeitgeist-1984 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016  Student
Correct? Maybe. But what I do know is that the present system we're running on this planet is simply not sustainable; not indefinitely. I'm not sure if you've seen it, but in the documentary entitled The Corporation, Ray Anderson succinctly articulates the fundamental problem with the metaphoric "craft" that were presently riding in: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoGTZH…

Beyond corporations, capitalism or any other "ism" out there, I think that as long as money is in the game, you're not getting to the root of the problem. So be it an elected official, a random selection (as you've proposed) or something else, as long as money is at the root of the problem, you're not "curing", but rather just "treating" the disease. And who is to determine which person is of sound mind? Donald Drumph? donaldjdrumpf.com/ Charles Manson? Hell, Hitler was democratically elected. Thinking about this reminds me of the parable of the king and the poisoned well:

There was once a wise king who ruled over a vast kingdom. He was feared for his might and loved for his wisdom. In the heart of a small city he often visited, there was a well with pure and crystalline waters from which all the inhabitants drank. When all were asleep, three witches entered the city and poured seven drops of a strange liquid into the well. They said that henceforth all who drink this water shall become mad.

The next day, all the people drank of the water, and the people began to say, "The king is mad and has lost his reason. Look how strangely he behaves. We cannot be ruled by a madman, so he must be dethroned."

The king heard of the people turning against him, but did not know why. He grew very fearful, for his subjects were preparing to rise against him. The king made the decision to visit the city the next day. Upon his arrival in the town, the king could not help but notice that it was a terribly hot day. He stopped to drink from the town well, and he drank deeply. The next day, there was great rejoicing among the people, for their beloved king had finally regained his reason.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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maxnort Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2016   Writer
I recognize these things. I have for many years. you have no need to convince me of anything.

if the world is to be saved, the system as it is must change radically.

I'm simply throwing out ideas that are not being considered, and could, short of armed revolution, bring things a little closer to a good path.

but, hey, if a revolution happens instead, I'm good with that.
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ReclusiveChicken Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Too much light blinds, if we are to speak in metaphors. Many things, such as capitalism and materialism, were justified as having the interests of most people and their wellbeing at heart (the former was a reaction to the monarchist and feudalist systems which existed before it reached mainstream status whilst the latter was meant to increase material prosperity in an age in which people needed more things to benefit from - thought of course, both of them did what they needed to and went too far because they were assumed to be "near-perfect" and then used by elite classes).
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Orbmiser Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016
Outstanding Work! Love it! :-)
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Thank you so much!
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Penguinneer Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Capitalist Pigs
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Yepp ^^. That's correct :)
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Ryivhnn Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016   Digital Artist
Everyone else has made some comments on the symbolism already, so I'll chime in with a completely lame Ilike the sss on the pig skin.  Really nice texture work everywhere.
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Thanks a lot! I appreciate that! You have a feel for commenting on the things I spend the most time on! Thank you, that makes me feel it is worth it! (It also took me a whole lot of googling to find some usable reference images :D!)
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Koimeteria Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016
Is this inspired by Animal Farm? Obviously different systems, but the dressed up pig at a table like this seems reminiscent.
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Not really, but I can see the connection. :) Thanks!
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soldier2333 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 10, 2016  Student Artist
Are they supposed to be "Fat Cats" or does that symbolise something else? 
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Yes, they are supposed to be that. But I think that's something one would call them in English mainly and that's not my first tongue. So I thought this could be more universal as pigs are kind of associated with gluttony in every culture. I'm not sure I made the right call though :D
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soldier2333 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Student Artist
Either way, the result still looks amazing.
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RaspberryTickle Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016  Student General Artist
What a scary-looking pig. I like the symbolism here.

~Ced
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Thanks! :)
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RaspberryTickle Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2016  Student General Artist
You're welcome!

~Ced
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Woschaebedip Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2016
I love the style, you paint very well! Wow
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Zoltan86 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016
Thanks a lot! I appreciate that! :)
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xPoYato Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
so true
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